Comments on: Of Mosques And Men http://doversworld.com/blog/2010/08/27/of-mosques-and-men/ The website of Robert Dover Tue, 22 May 2012 08:53:39 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8-bleeding-edge hourly 1 By: Michelle http://doversworld.com/blog/2010/08/27/of-mosques-and-men/comment-page-1/#comment-10727 Michelle Tue, 31 Aug 2010 18:23:50 +0000 http://doversworld.com/blog/?p=2986#comment-10727 Kim clearly we don't agree on politics or religion lets just leave it at that. Kim clearly we don’t agree on politics or religion lets just leave it at that.

]]> By: Kim http://doversworld.com/blog/2010/08/27/of-mosques-and-men/comment-page-1/#comment-10725 Kim Tue, 31 Aug 2010 17:55:07 +0000 http://doversworld.com/blog/?p=2986#comment-10725 Wow, Michelle, this seems to be a word association game...you don't need much more than a common word to springboard from one attack to the next. I can vouch for the honesty, integrity and generosity of a number of people who attended the rally, which seemed peaceful enough. I even just did a search for media coverage exposing all the "FEAR FEAR FEAR" instilled in the misinformed, violent sheep who attended. I can't find any. Please feel free to post a link. You might want to make sure that the link does not include a picture of the event. Remember, a picture is worth a thousand words or HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS of "sheep" as the case may be. Rush, Hannity and the Republican Party were not part of the event, which was to "pay tribute to America's military personnel and others who embody our nation's founding principles of integrity, truth, and honor." (How horrible does that sound!!!) Good for Beck since the present Commander in Chief couldn't spare the time to honor the troops lest he miss a vacation day in Chicago. Maybe when you wake up, you'll realize that I never claimed to be a Republican nor have I vouched for the "party manifesto" or the collective group. But please, feel free to continue arguing against whatever straw man makes you happy. I happen to think the Rally was great and hopefully it sends a strong message to all the corrupt politicians in office (of which there are also plenty of Democrats). Wow, Michelle, this seems to be a word association game…you don’t need much more than a common word to springboard from one attack to the next. I can vouch for the honesty, integrity and generosity of a number of people who attended the rally, which seemed peaceful enough. I even just did a search for media coverage exposing all the “FEAR FEAR FEAR” instilled in the misinformed, violent sheep who attended. I can’t find any. Please feel free to post a link. You might want to make sure that the link does not include a picture of the event. Remember, a picture is worth a thousand words or HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS of “sheep” as the case may be.

Rush, Hannity and the Republican Party were not part of the event, which was to “pay tribute to America’s military personnel and others who embody our nation’s founding principles of integrity, truth, and honor.” (How horrible does that sound!!!) Good for Beck since the present Commander in Chief couldn’t spare the time to honor the troops lest he miss a vacation day in Chicago.

Maybe when you wake up, you’ll realize that I never claimed to be a Republican nor have I vouched for the “party manifesto” or the collective group. But please, feel free to continue arguing against whatever straw man makes you happy. I happen to think the Rally was great and hopefully it sends a strong message to all the corrupt politicians in office (of which there are also plenty of Democrats).

]]> By: Michelle http://doversworld.com/blog/2010/08/27/of-mosques-and-men/comment-page-1/#comment-10720 Michelle Tue, 31 Aug 2010 14:03:10 +0000 http://doversworld.com/blog/?p=2986#comment-10720 Oh Kim I know that group all to well as I used to be one of them until I woke up and caught so many of them lying. Oh by the way the numbers have not been verified but if it's in the hundreds of thousands then we have lots of uninformed people in this country. Oh by the way I don't think the Dems are right about everything but once you wake up and catch Rush, Hannity etc etc in lies you realize the Republican party at this moment is about Fear. Heck there own manifesto said so...Prey on the fear of the American people. Wish the reasonable people of that party would take it back from the crazies. Oh Kim I know that group all to well as I used to be one of them until I woke up and caught so many of them lying. Oh by the way the numbers have not been verified but if it’s in the hundreds of thousands then we have lots of uninformed people in this country. Oh by the way I don’t think the Dems are right about everything but once you wake up and catch Rush, Hannity etc etc in lies you realize the Republican party at this moment is about Fear. Heck there own manifesto said so…Prey on the fear of the American people. Wish the reasonable people of that party would take it back from the crazies.

]]> By: Kim http://doversworld.com/blog/2010/08/27/of-mosques-and-men/comment-page-1/#comment-10718 Kim Tue, 31 Aug 2010 11:30:05 +0000 http://doversworld.com/blog/?p=2986#comment-10718 Oops, Michelle. Not sure what "point" of yours was made today but your snide comment about Glenn Beck's Restoring Honor Rally may have been a bit premature. (BTW it was HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS of people who attended.) And there you go again, generalizing about a group of people, most of whom I suspect you do not know--isn't that pretty much the definition of prejudice? Oops, Michelle. Not sure what “point” of yours was made today but your snide comment about Glenn Beck’s Restoring Honor Rally may have been a bit premature. (BTW it was HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS of people who attended.) And there you go again, generalizing about a group of people, most of whom I suspect you do not know–isn’t that pretty much the definition of prejudice?

]]> By: michelle http://doversworld.com/blog/2010/08/27/of-mosques-and-men/comment-page-1/#comment-10666 michelle Sat, 28 Aug 2010 17:43:14 +0000 http://doversworld.com/blog/?p=2986#comment-10666 Well Kim we don't agree on many levels, the mosque and religion. I don't believe Jesus is the one and only child of God(I happen to believe is the universe not a white haired man) we are as much God's children and Jesus... Well Kim we don’t agree on many levels, the mosque and religion. I don’t believe Jesus is the one and only child of God(I happen to believe is the universe not a white haired man) we are as much God’s children and Jesus…

]]> By: Kim http://doversworld.com/blog/2010/08/27/of-mosques-and-men/comment-page-1/#comment-10665 Kim Sat, 28 Aug 2010 17:34:03 +0000 http://doversworld.com/blog/?p=2986#comment-10665 Last post. Obviously Michelle is having difficulty understanding my position. Robert, although I prefer not to see a new mosque constructed at the proposed site in NYC, I respect that you have a well-reasoned opinion to the opposite. I also defend the legal right of the organizers to do so. I hope that they will reconsider in deference to the many families of 9/11 who do have an issue with the mosque. As for the demonstrations in the other communities that you mentioned, I do not have an opinion. I am not aware of the facts surrounding those proposals. Michelle, You made a number of assertions not at all relevant to the topic in Robert's post. If you prefer Christianity to Islam, that is certainly your choice. I think the best platform to compare/contrast the religions would by comparing Jesus Christ to Muhammed and the Bible to the Koran. I am not interested in discussing this and I suspect you do not have a genuine interest. The index of economic freedom ranks the U.S. as the 8th most economically free country in the world. We have fallen in 7 of 10 of the indices over the past year. We are now ranked as "mostly free" instead of "free". Please be clear, I did not say we are a socialist, but we are trending that way and the government spending is undeniably out of control. As a mom, I find it overwhelming that God would give his child for my life...and those I love if they accept the gift. I don't find that rule by fear, but liberating, comforting, and full of hope. Also, I never claimed you said that every priest is a child molester. Robert made a comment (in a much earlier post) which sounded like it might have been sarcasm (sometimes difficult to determine tone in electronic exchanges). Last post. Obviously Michelle is having difficulty understanding my position.

Robert, although I prefer not to see a new mosque constructed at the proposed site in NYC, I respect that you have a well-reasoned opinion to the opposite. I also defend the legal right of the organizers to do so. I hope that they will reconsider in deference to the many families of 9/11 who do have an issue with the mosque.

As for the demonstrations in the other communities that you mentioned, I do not have an opinion. I am not aware of the facts surrounding those proposals.

Michelle,

You made a number of assertions not at all relevant to the topic in Robert’s post. If you prefer Christianity to Islam, that is certainly your choice. I think the best platform to compare/contrast the religions would by comparing Jesus Christ to Muhammed and the Bible to the Koran. I am not interested in discussing this and I suspect you do not have a genuine interest.

The index of economic freedom ranks the U.S. as the 8th most economically free country in the world. We have fallen in 7 of 10 of the indices over the past year. We are now ranked as “mostly free” instead of “free”. Please be clear, I did not say we are a socialist, but we are trending that way and the government spending is undeniably out of control.

As a mom, I find it overwhelming that God would give his child for my life…and those I love if they accept the gift. I don’t find that rule by fear, but liberating, comforting, and full of hope.

Also, I never claimed you said that every priest is a child molester. Robert made a comment (in a much earlier post) which sounded like it might have been sarcasm (sometimes difficult to determine tone in electronic exchanges).

]]> By: michelle http://doversworld.com/blog/2010/08/27/of-mosques-and-men/comment-page-1/#comment-10664 michelle Sat, 28 Aug 2010 17:16:04 +0000 http://doversworld.com/blog/?p=2986#comment-10664 Kim my point was made today.. Tens of thousands showed up for Glenn Beck's march..Quite frankly I'm not sure he's mentally stable and look at the people that follow him and believe every word that lune says. FEAR FEAR FEAR Kim my point was made today.. Tens of thousands showed up for Glenn Beck’s march..Quite frankly I’m not sure he’s mentally stable and look at the people that follow him and believe every word that lune says. FEAR FEAR FEAR

]]> By: michelle http://doversworld.com/blog/2010/08/27/of-mosques-and-men/comment-page-1/#comment-10662 michelle Sat, 28 Aug 2010 16:34:57 +0000 http://doversworld.com/blog/?p=2986#comment-10662 Where did I say every priest is a child molester? Umm I was pointing out the hypocrisy of christians. Where did I say every priest is a child molester? Umm I was pointing out the hypocrisy of christians.

]]> By: Robert Dover http://doversworld.com/blog/2010/08/27/of-mosques-and-men/comment-page-1/#comment-10661 Robert Dover Sat, 28 Aug 2010 16:34:35 +0000 http://doversworld.com/blog/?p=2986#comment-10661 Kim, if Christians had legal ownership of the property, then by all means they could build a church. As it is, people of the Muslim faith have the property and therefore would like to build a mosque, blocks away from Ground Zero. And for everyone's information, there have been demonstrations now in Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, Nebraska, and even Los Angeles against people of Muslim faith hoping to build mosques in those towns. I'd that does not sound like a country driven by fear, I don't know what does. We really must distinguish between Muslims and Islamic extremists or any other extremists for that matter. Otherwise, we are not exhibiting the best and highest form of who we are as Americans in our great melting pot that is our beloved country. Cheers! RD Kim, if Christians had legal ownership of the property, then by all means they could build a church. As it is, people of the Muslim faith have the property and therefore would like to build a mosque, blocks away from Ground Zero. And for everyone’s information, there have been demonstrations now in Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, Nebraska, and even Los Angeles against people of Muslim faith hoping to build mosques in those towns. I’d that does not sound like a country driven by fear, I don’t know what does. We really must distinguish between Muslims and Islamic extremists or any other extremists for that matter. Otherwise, we are not exhibiting the best and highest form of who we are as Americans in our great melting pot that is our beloved country.

Cheers!

RD

]]> By: michelle http://doversworld.com/blog/2010/08/27/of-mosques-and-men/comment-page-1/#comment-10660 michelle Sat, 28 Aug 2010 16:31:47 +0000 http://doversworld.com/blog/?p=2986#comment-10660 Well Kim we've already gone over the Christian thing...More people have been killed in the name of Christ then Mohammed. Many of the families of 9/11 do not have an issue with the Mosque. Thank God the Supreme court attempts to uphold the constitution because often times it goes against the majority. I for one are hoping the Court makes it legal for Robert to get married in any state he wants...This will go against the majority who are so wrapped up in fear. Exactly how is this country going towards socialism??? I've said this before capitalism only works with a high degree of morality and ethics and clearly we do not have this in this country. The gulf and our economy is just couple of examples. I will have to disagree with you the vast majority of people in the world operate from fear.. This is how most religions have it set up do this and this and if you do that you are going to hell(insert rolling of the eyes). Well Kim we’ve already gone over the Christian thing…More people have been killed in the name of Christ then Mohammed. Many of the families of 9/11 do not have an issue with the Mosque. Thank God the Supreme court attempts to uphold the constitution because often times it goes against the majority. I for one are hoping the Court makes it legal for Robert to get married in any state he wants…This will go against the majority who are so wrapped up in fear. Exactly how is this country going towards socialism??? I’ve said this before capitalism only works with a high degree of morality and ethics and clearly we do not have this in this country. The gulf and our economy is just couple of examples. I will have to disagree with you the vast majority of people in the world operate from fear.. This is how most religions have it set up do this and this and if you do that you are going to hell(insert rolling of the eyes).

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